Comments on: KIT and Yojimbo http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/ Reinvented Software Weblog Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:03:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sjk http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-16872 sjk Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:13:44 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-16872 In addition to traditional nested groups I'd like to suggest nested smart groups that include conditions of parent groups, similar to what Journler supports. One benefit of that nesting is the ability to create a boolean-style matching that's not always possible with only the single All or Any operator for each individual smart group. And temporarily rearranging nestings can be a useful filtering mechanism. In addition to traditional nested groups I’d like to suggest nested smart groups that include conditions of parent groups, similar to what Journler supports. One benefit of that nesting is the ability to create a boolean-style matching that’s not always possible with only the single All or Any operator for each individual smart group. And temporarily rearranging nestings can be a useful filtering mechanism.

]]> By: nic http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-16807 nic Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:55:55 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-16807 id like to have tags options for files… and subfolders are great idea… id like to have tags options for files…
and subfolders are great idea…

]]> By: A Wannabe KIT User http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-11321 A Wannabe KIT User Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:34:22 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-11321 I know I'm adding to an old thread... but wanted to add yet another Yojimbo reaction / KIT feature request. I started med school this fall and have a slew of documents to manage in a variety of formats. So I tested several different doc management/notebook apps back in August. In the end I really liked Yojimbo's clean interface, but it had 3 major showstoppers: 1. I needed to be able to manage *all* my files together (presentations, outlines, etc.), and not just the ones Yojimbo supported. 2. The monolithic database approach made me very nervous about losing data due to corruption. 3. I needed hierarchical groups to have any chance of organizing docs that pertain to one term / class / exam block. I hadn't run into KIT back then, so in the end I just gave up and wrote my own filesystem-based Yojimba clone with nested groups (did I mention I used to be a programmer?). It's crude and still doesn't totally support drag-n-drop, but it's gotten me through fall term. So why am I telling you this? Because KIT elegantly solves 2 out of 3 issues I had with Yojimbo, and I'd LOVE to dump my homespun solution and use KIT instead. Unfortunately, I also just can't work without nested groups. The throw-it-all-together and search-to-find-it-later approach works great for a lot of things, but you still need to know what you're looking for, and when I sit down to study for an anatomy exam I need to see at a glance all my course materials that pertain to just anatomy for one specific exam block. No combination of flat groups/search/categories works as efficiently as nested groups for that. So you've already solved 2 of Yojimbo's shortcomings... how about a perfect hat trick? p.s. your FAQ says that "KIT's groups don't work like folders but more like iTunes playlists." But you know that iTunes already caved and now allows nested playlists? ;-) p.p.s. You might want to consider ways to target educational users since KIT is a perfect app for students managing resources (with nested groups of course :-). I have 83 classmates in the same situation I'm in. I know I’m adding to an old thread… but wanted to add yet another Yojimbo reaction / KIT feature request. I started med school this fall and have a slew of documents to manage in a variety of formats. So I tested several different doc management/notebook apps back in August. In the end I really liked Yojimbo’s clean interface, but it had 3 major showstoppers:

1. I needed to be able to manage *all* my files together (presentations, outlines, etc.), and not just the ones Yojimbo supported.

2. The monolithic database approach made me very nervous about losing data due to corruption.

3. I needed hierarchical groups to have any chance of organizing docs that pertain to one term / class / exam block.

I hadn’t run into KIT back then, so in the end I just gave up and wrote my own filesystem-based Yojimba clone with nested groups (did I mention I used to be a programmer?). It’s crude and still doesn’t totally support drag-n-drop, but it’s gotten me through fall term.

So why am I telling you this? Because KIT elegantly solves 2 out of 3 issues I had with Yojimbo, and I’d LOVE to dump my homespun solution and use KIT instead. Unfortunately, I also just can’t work without nested groups. The throw-it-all-together and search-to-find-it-later approach works great for a lot of things, but you still need to know what you’re looking for, and when I sit down to study for an anatomy exam I need to see at a glance all my course materials that pertain to just anatomy for one specific exam block. No combination of flat groups/search/categories works as efficiently as nested groups for that.

So you’ve already solved 2 of Yojimbo’s shortcomings… how about a perfect hat trick?

p.s. your FAQ says that “KIT’s groups don’t work like folders but more like iTunes playlists.” But you know that iTunes already caved and now allows nested playlists? ;-)

p.p.s. You might want to consider ways to target educational users since KIT is a perfect app for students managing resources (with nested groups of course :-) . I have 83 classmates in the same situation I’m in.

]]> By: Halt es zusammen – nimm K.I.T « Die Kritiker http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-8536 Halt es zusammen – nimm K.I.T « Die Kritiker Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:05:47 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-8536 [...] UpDate Eben erst gesehen: Im K.I.T Blog werden die konstruktiven Unterschiede zwischen K.I.T und Yojimbo schön und verständlich dargestellt: However, Yojimbo has special formats for things like passwords and serial numbers while KIT will work with any kind of file including images, movies and even formats it can’t preview. KIT keeps all the originals as files on disk (or uses aliases to link to existing files), Yojimbo keeps everything in a database. [...] [...] UpDate Eben erst gesehen: Im K.I.T Blog werden die konstruktiven Unterschiede zwischen K.I.T und Yojimbo schön und verständlich dargestellt: However, Yojimbo has special formats for things like passwords and serial numbers while KIT will work with any kind of file including images, movies and even formats it can’t preview. KIT keeps all the originals as files on disk (or uses aliases to link to existing files), Yojimbo keeps everything in a database. [...]

]]> By: Terry Findlay http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-8464 Terry Findlay Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:58:37 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-8464 If KIT had subfolders (groups) I would buy it in a minute. I like it's file orientation over Yojimbo's data emphasis because it allows any file type to be included. If KIT had subfolders (groups) I would buy it in a minute. I like it’s file orientation over Yojimbo’s data emphasis because it allows any file type to be included.

]]> By: TommyW http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-8438 TommyW Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:44:54 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-8438 Thanks, I had it set at Titles... Thanks, I had it set at Titles…

]]> By: Steve Harris http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-8423 Steve Harris Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:42:26 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-8423 Thanks, Tommy. KIT should already search within PDF files, in fact any file Spotlight can search - you just choose Contents or All Contents from the menu in the search field. Thanks, Tommy. KIT should already search within PDF files, in fact any file Spotlight can search – you just choose Contents or All Contents from the menu in the search field.

]]> By: TommyW http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-8414 TommyW Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:00:49 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-8414 Well, that's really good to hear. QS has become important to me (and a few others...) I am finding KIT more and more useful. I have set up workflows in my PDF print options and other apps (such as Flysketch) who permit it. On the PDF front... any chance searches could include an option to search text within files, is that possible? One way you can differentiate from Yojimbo...is by having regular updates... I own a few of their products and they just don't update all that often... Well, that’s really good to hear. QS has become important to me (and a few others…)

I am finding KIT more and more useful. I have set up workflows in my PDF print options and other apps (such as Flysketch) who permit it.

On the PDF front… any chance searches could include an option to search text within files, is that possible?

One way you can differentiate from Yojimbo…is by having regular updates… I own a few of their products and they just don’t update all that often…

]]> By: Steve Harris http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7777 Steve Harris Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:01:11 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-7777 Thanks, Tommy. KIT isn't scriptable and doesn't really work with Quicksilver right now, but will. Thanks, Tommy. KIT isn’t scriptable and doesn’t really work with Quicksilver right now, but will.

]]> By: TommyW http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/comment-page-1/#comment-7723 TommyW Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:29:20 +0000 http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2006/09/05/kit-and-yojimbo/#comment-7723 That clarifies a question I had. I recently got KIT (the MacZot offer again) and I thought it would be good for my kid entering College. I find that I will probably be the one who uses it however :0) The storage format, ie the original files, means that KIT has an ability to fill in Finder shortcomings. I am thinking of using it for general information I store which don't necessarily fit into existing work folders or for which Finder subdivisions would be overkill. I need to be able to dump stuff and not worry, I'll find them later. KIT seems good for that. If you added Mori's outlining ability... ooh.... The only other issue I have is the notes feature. I can add notes to OOP and Mori via Quicksilver actions. Which is quick and handy... do you have any Applescripts or is KIT Applescript-able? That clarifies a question I had.

I recently got KIT (the MacZot offer again) and I thought it would be good for my kid entering College. I find that I will probably be the one who uses it however :0)

The storage format, ie the original files, means that KIT has an ability to fill in Finder shortcomings. I am thinking of using it for general information I store which don’t necessarily fit into existing work folders or for which Finder subdivisions would be overkill. I need to be able to dump stuff and not worry, I’ll find them later. KIT seems good for that.

If you added Mori’s outlining ability… ooh….

The only other issue I have is the notes feature. I can add notes to OOP and Mori via Quicksilver actions. Which is quick and handy… do you have any Applescripts or is KIT Applescript-able?

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