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	<title>Comments on: Indie Upgrade Cycles</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2007/12/18/indie-upgrade-cycles/#comment-77562</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes developers really do drop off the face of the earth. This does not mean they don't release upgrades or newer versions of the software, but they don't blog, don't respond to their software's bulletin board, they do not reply to any of the bug reports etc. When you experience something like that, no matter how good the software is, your impulse is to abandon it. As long as you keep blogging (and especially if you continue writing such interesting posts) I'm in no fear about your software and will continue to support it. Cheers and happy holidays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes developers really do drop off the face of the earth. This does not mean they don&#8217;t release upgrades or newer versions of the software, but they don&#8217;t blog, don&#8217;t respond to their software&#8217;s bulletin board, they do not reply to any of the bug reports etc. When you experience something like that, no matter how good the software is, your impulse is to abandon it. As long as you keep blogging (and especially if you continue writing such interesting posts) I&#8217;m in no fear about your software and will continue to support it. Cheers and happy holidays!</p>
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		<title>By: TommyW</title>
		<link>http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2007/12/18/indie-upgrade-cycles/#comment-77411</link>
		<dc:creator>TommyW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole arena is very volatile and certainly I as a user took a while before I could settle down on how I use these kinds of apps.   And I don't think any of them answer all the info management needs.     The richness and variety in the arena says a lot about the importance of it to knowledge work.  

I use Together as my favourite set of smart buckets, a catch-it-as-it-unfolds kind of application, where research, stuff to refer to later, important information from serials to photo IDs and scanned passports.   A general set of information which I only break down into large chunks Home, Work, Build, Technology, Design, and a few big current projects.   If I had to ask myself 'now where did I shove that?" I probably put it in Together.   I like it's visual qualities the best of all the info managers, the tagging and layout, ease of use...the shelf, the landscape view, all great. 

I use VoodooPad for two things,   I use it for generating notes and output for my students, the web output is good and I use it on my college site.  It's one of the few info managers designed to produce output of some form, for communicating.   I also use it as a Daybook, a scratchpad, jotter kind of thing, I do a fresh document each month and it functions as a record of phone conversations and other random bits. I like being able to mix stuff I grabbed and stuff I've written in the one page.   I have a Quicksilver trigger that will append some inputted text to an inbox page for that day.  It's quick and I can look back and see what phone conversations had what actions planned on what day. 

I use DTPO for specific projects, I suck in a project's Finder folders and documents, including media,images, etc.  I also include project specific email and contacts.  I only do it when a project is pretty mature so I only have a few databases, about six or so.  I'm more likely to look there when I'm assessing my project material than in the Finder for example.   I like being able to have my stills from a film in one folder on it and different sets of them created by reference only to the original, so I can keep a record of what stills went to which person.  It's kind of like a meta-FInder, a slow thing to appreciate but great when you do.      So DTPO is for particular things in my usage and more detailed and slow in a way.     I use Together in a more general way, it's certainly more responsive and present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole arena is very volatile and certainly I as a user took a while before I could settle down on how I use these kinds of apps.   And I don&#8217;t think any of them answer all the info management needs.     The richness and variety in the arena says a lot about the importance of it to knowledge work.  </p>
<p>I use Together as my favourite set of smart buckets, a catch-it-as-it-unfolds kind of application, where research, stuff to refer to later, important information from serials to photo IDs and scanned passports.   A general set of information which I only break down into large chunks Home, Work, Build, Technology, Design, and a few big current projects.   If I had to ask myself &#8216;now where did I shove that?&#8221; I probably put it in Together.   I like it&#8217;s visual qualities the best of all the info managers, the tagging and layout, ease of use&#8230;the shelf, the landscape view, all great. </p>
<p>I use VoodooPad for two things,   I use it for generating notes and output for my students, the web output is good and I use it on my college site.  It&#8217;s one of the few info managers designed to produce output of some form, for communicating.   I also use it as a Daybook, a scratchpad, jotter kind of thing, I do a fresh document each month and it functions as a record of phone conversations and other random bits. I like being able to mix stuff I grabbed and stuff I&#8217;ve written in the one page.   I have a Quicksilver trigger that will append some inputted text to an inbox page for that day.  It&#8217;s quick and I can look back and see what phone conversations had what actions planned on what day. </p>
<p>I use DTPO for specific projects, I suck in a project&#8217;s Finder folders and documents, including media,images, etc.  I also include project specific email and contacts.  I only do it when a project is pretty mature so I only have a few databases, about six or so.  I&#8217;m more likely to look there when I&#8217;m assessing my project material than in the Finder for example.   I like being able to have my stills from a film in one folder on it and different sets of them created by reference only to the original, so I can keep a record of what stills went to which person.  It&#8217;s kind of like a meta-FInder, a slow thing to appreciate but great when you do.      So DTPO is for particular things in my usage and more detailed and slow in a way.     I use Together in a more general way, it&#8217;s certainly more responsive and present.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Harris</title>
		<link>http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2007/12/18/indie-upgrade-cycles/#comment-77173</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tod, that's very interesting, I think you make a great point. Most people tell me they've switched between at least two other apps in the last year (which must be a real pain), they seem to know everything about them too. Far more than me, anyway. 

I know this because people often ask for features from those other apps (and so often when this or that feature will be implemented), but often don't really explain why. I'm trying to be original and come up with ideas that address "needs" and yet sometimes it feels like I'm receiving a checklist of "wants".

The whole arena seems very volatile. Maybe it'll settle down.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful comments, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tod, that&#8217;s very interesting, I think you make a great point. Most people tell me they&#8217;ve switched between at least two other apps in the last year (which must be a real pain), they seem to know everything about them too. Far more than me, anyway. </p>
<p>I know this because people often ask for features from those other apps (and so often when this or that feature will be implemented), but often don&#8217;t really explain why. I&#8217;m trying to be original and come up with ideas that address &#8220;needs&#8221; and yet sometimes it feels like I&#8217;m receiving a checklist of &#8220;wants&#8221;.</p>
<p>The whole arena seems very volatile. Maybe it&#8217;ll settle down.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful comments, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Tod</title>
		<link>http://reinventedsoftware.com/blog/2007/12/18/indie-upgrade-cycles/#comment-77164</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I guess that in Together’s market, where there is a range of diverse competitors people seem to bounce between, and where people may also use web apps that tend to trickle out smaller changes more frequently, people’s expectations can be very high."

Actually, our attention spans might be very low.  I speak from my own experience of jumping from one app to another, then another, never quite learning about the subtle features that set each one apart.

I most recently went through this cycle with a series of "media library" applications:  Dazzled by Delicious, went on to Booxter, the "Pedia" series (BookPedia...), then Librarian.  Having tried them all over time, I decided that the Pedia series best suited my needs and I'm now in a longer attention span as I use them exclusively.

It's unfortunate that a group of similar apps cause some of us to be very fickle in the short run but, at least in my case, the cream eventually rises to the top.

As an aside, I'd like to note that though there are legions of Quicksilver users, I didn't find it to be worth my while, so I moved on to the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess that in Together’s market, where there is a range of diverse competitors people seem to bounce between, and where people may also use web apps that tend to trickle out smaller changes more frequently, people’s expectations can be very high.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, our attention spans might be very low.  I speak from my own experience of jumping from one app to another, then another, never quite learning about the subtle features that set each one apart.</p>
<p>I most recently went through this cycle with a series of &#8220;media library&#8221; applications:  Dazzled by Delicious, went on to Booxter, the &#8220;Pedia&#8221; series (BookPedia&#8230;), then Librarian.  Having tried them all over time, I decided that the Pedia series best suited my needs and I&#8217;m now in a longer attention span as I use them exclusively.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that a group of similar apps cause some of us to be very fickle in the short run but, at least in my case, the cream eventually rises to the top.</p>
<p>As an aside, I&#8217;d like to note that though there are legions of Quicksilver users, I didn&#8217;t find it to be worth my while, so I moved on to the next one.</p>
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